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Were We Warned About Holmes Before Aurora Shooting?

Denver media are now reporting that the psychiatrist treating accused mass murderer James Holmes warned a “threat assessment team” at the University of Colorado-Denver about him more than a month before he went on a shooting rampage.

As reported by Reuters: “The Denver Post reported that Fenton raised her concerns about Holmes with the university’s Behavioral Evaluation and Threat Assessment team in early June. Denver’s KMGH-TV, also citing unnamed sources, said school officials did not contact Aurora police before the shooting and that no action was taken because Holmes was in the process of dropping out of school.”

Now, I’m not one to take the word of “unnamed sources” as gospel, but if true, what we have here is a bureaucracy that said, “he’s a dangerous nut, but soon enough he won’t be our dangerous nut, so let’s let this one ride.”

You hate to apply 20/20 hindsight to tragic cases like this. But it seems in every one there is a point at which someone, if he’d taken the time and effort, could have thwarted a horrific crime. Why not? In some cases, it’s just laziness or indifference. But in others, it’s a fear of lawsuits or regulatory punishment.

No group in America stands more for privacy than gun owners. About once a month, I get a letter asking that SGN be delivered in a plain brown wrapper, and I know lots of newsstand buyers won’t subscribe because they don’t want the mailman knowing what they’re reading.

But when someone’s not in his right mind, the presumption of privacy has to be weighed against the right of the rest of us to keep breathing. If officials at UC-D shirked their duty on grounds Holmes was not their problem, they failed, catastrophically, the community they serve.

  • Heretic

    It wouldn't have done to have him stopped beforehand. Some very dark minded people went to a lot of trouble to make this shooting happen. They got caught carrying out Fast & Furious and they needed more.

    • Wag the Dog

      Yes. There were reports and pictures on CNN of a second weapon and gas mask found on the ground with a blood trail BEHIND the theatre. YOUtube has videos people took of these TV reports. Then all reports of the 2nd gunman were erased! Its true. This "lone gunman" had a handler; obviously because all this gunman's tracks were 'erased' neatly swept away. Except that the reporters took pictures and there were 3 witnesses to this 2nd gunman. But these witnesses will either suddenly be quiet or mysteriously die in a month.

  • wonderment

    Heretic – Really? The government made this guy shoot people in a movie theater? Really? Maybe you need a psych eval.

    • DrSique

      I dunno there, Wonder Bread, a couple of years back I would never have considered the possibility that our federal government would hand deliver 2,500 weapons to the crime cartels of Mexico. Nuthin' shocks me anymore.

    • truthseeker

      No, the government LET him shoot people. The senario plays into their gun control scheme.

    • Tommy

      Google MKUltra and then read what you find. A government mind control program that was proven to work and then SUPPOSEDLY shut down. It doesn't sound like our boys, to spend a pile of money to find out if they could do something and when they prove they can, just walk away from it…

  • john

    dam goverment, I know they don't like the working class, i guess this is more proof.

    • Wag the Dog

      No. They like us to work, they just want to make guns illegal. They will continue to stage horrible massacres so the public will beg for gun control and give up or weapons. Then they can do whatever they want with us. Its all in the history books how govs have done this.

  • vishnu

    "Were we warned" is ludicrous, as is the notion that anyone, even professionals should be able to tell what any individual might do. Take the Fort Hood incident – the shooter was a mental health professional. If his colleagues didn't "see the signs", why should have anyone else ?
    Even when the signs are obvious, they are not always recognized or followed up. 2005: in Albuquerque NM, a mentally-disturbed man killed 5 people, including 2 police officers, after he had threatened 2 of the victims a week before. The threats had been reported to the police, but after they had been killed (and at the same time that the two officers were shot) the city police stated that they had " no leads".

    • Ahab

      Seriously? You are going to say this? His colleagues and superiors DID see it, and so did the FBI, and yet still nothing happened. There's a reason why nothing gets done, because they want bad things to happen so sheeple will be obedient.

  • Joe

    The guy at fort hood was on a terrorist watch list

    • vishnu

      Even more reason to expect that action would be taken about him!

  • Jeepers Creepers

    Holmes has set himself up for the state mental hospital. He has shown no signs of an killer. First of all he warned the cops of his booby traps. Second he doesn't smile when he remembers details of the shooting. I bet if I talked to him for five minutes. He would be so scared and glad to get away from me. The only people I can't scare are the people that enjoy with a passion the passing of life. They remember details that make them smile. So it looks like Holmes is headed to the nut house for the crimally insane.

  • bhp9

    Judging from some of the responses here one wonders about the metal stability of some of the posters. Paranoia and Conspiracy theories seem to abound here.

    • HAS

      I suppose "Fast and Furious" is also fodder for your "Paranoia and Conspiracy" theories…..

  • Steve

    How many spouses have been killed when the police "couldn't do anything" in response to a complaint? It's doubtful that the system could have responded here without multijurisdictional coordination which just doesn't happen until after a major crime. We can't see the future and we risk our freedoms if we give broad powers to government to act ahead of the crime as it may never happen. Most angry people rethink the possibilities and do not commit crimes like this but while angry or distraught may be viewed as likely to execute a crime. How to intervene, when to intervene and what level of authority vs. personal freedom is a tough line to draw.

  • Will

    "We were warned". While I truly wish this event had never happen, think about what our county would be lIke if someone or some agency had the power to intervene. Prior to the shooting Holmes apparently had committed no crime. On what grounds could this man have been detained? If our society were to allow a psycharitrist to make a judgment about what someone may do in the future we would spiral pretty quickly into a society somewhat like that partrayed in George Orwells 1984. Would every citizen be screened by a phychiatrist on a yearly basis and locked up because in the opinion of the professional that individual may commit a crime. How scary is that?
    We as a free society must accept that these types of crimes although traumatic, statistically are very rare.

    We do not live in a perfect world, nor can we make it perfect. Each individual must be be prepared to protect themselves against crime, terror, scammers, etc. and quit expecting any government to protect us from everything. Some would argue that in the case of Mr. Holmes the inocent were prevented from protecting themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/howell.clark.5 Howell Clark

    FUNNY HOW THE PRESS WANTS TO NOW CRITICIZE THE VERY FOLKS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT BEFORE DISCLOSING SOMEONES MENTAL STATE,REMEMBER THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY CRAP THAT HAS BEEN SO TWISTED SO MANY WAYS.

  • mikkidog

    How many of you can say "My neighbor will commit mass murder next week"? Unless you are told by him/her, it's unlikely you can tell. Then how about YOUR 4th Amendment right when your neighbor (who may not like you) says YOU are going to commit a crime? An incident committed by a lone delusional individual can always be "preventable" with 20/20 hindsight. Unless he conspired to commit this criminal act, and it can be PROVEN, you can't accuse someone and expect to have probable cause to search, and then incarcerate them.

  • sakovkt

    If you are a reader is Isoterism, Juleus Evola makes the case: in a world where God is Dead, it doesn't

    matter what you do. Failure is the only sin, although, if life is meaningless, it isn't much of a sin.

    Years ago, when people said they didn't need organized reigion, more people did go to Church than now, and

    I never worried about any of them.

    There was an over all consensus on Traditional Judeo-Christian values, whether people believed they were Divine in origin or just common sense.

    Those values aren't nearly as common as they were, and we can expect more of this sort of thing, until they are, again.

    Morality is the only law that will work against "future crime" without making a bad situation worse.

    In the meantime, there's not much that can be done.

    The liberal media, entertainers and politicians have done too much damage over the last 50 years.

    Just arm yourelf, learn the laws about self defense, and be careful, a lot more careful than ever.

    It's Sad.

  • walt629

    The hind sight 20/20, Monday morning quarterbacking will go on and on. The finger pointing as to who should have done what and when it should have been done will be endless.

    The fact remains: the only people that could have and should have acted are the people that were present at the time of the incident.

    More citizens need to be legally armed against the terrorism that our society is creating. Had there been even a single armed citizen in the theater that could have responded with deadly force against force, the out come would have been very different and all this discussion about the criminals mental state would be conjecture.

    Carry a gun. Be proficient with that gun and use it to protect your life against the likes of this criminal!

    • Jeepers Creepers

      I presume that with the carry firearm you always carry a very good GAS MASK. That would have given you time and the eyes to aim. Holmes used home made mace to help protect himself from any return fire. So with your comment I now know that alot of CWP holders also carry GAS MASK.