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Questioning “No Questions Asked”—Are Gun-Surrender Gimmicks Legal?

By Jeff Knox

For decades we’ve heard about gun turn-ins—”Gun Buy-Back” programs sponsored by churches, civic groups, and various other misinformed do-gooder organizations. The very name—buy-back—implies that guns belong not to individuals, but to the government, or at least to the people who don’t like guns. The programs have the stated purpose of “getting guns off the street,” which seems to give operators a pass from further scrutiny, even as they offer a tangible good such as a grocery store coupon or gift card in return for a gun, “no questions asked,” much like any other fencing operation. Finally someone has forced the question: Are these programs legal?

Attorney and author of the New Jersey Gun Law Guide, Evan Nappen, not only asked the question, he is offering a $5,000 bounty for anyone who can prove an affirmative answer. Nappen is specifically asking about the legality of a church-sponsored program in the state of New Jersey. As an expert on New Jersey gun laws, Nappen says he can find no provision in the state’s maze-like gun statutes that permit churches and civic groups, or the people surrendering (actually selling) the guns, to bypass the thicket of New Jersey state laws that require permits, background checks, and paperwork whenever a gun is transported or transferred.

Nappen also questions the “no questions asked” policy, and the immediate destruction of the guns, which might be stolen property, or could be evidence in serious crimes. Details of Nappen’s challenge can be seen on his web site, www.EvanNappen.com.

I don’t expect Evan will lose the $5,000 anytime soon. He knows New Jersey law and it is pretty clear that there are very specific requirements which are not being met in these “buy-back” programs.

Under New Jersey law, anyone wishing to surrender an illegally possessed firearm must first state their intention to do so in writing to their chief of police or the head of the State Police. The statement must include their identity. Also, while New Jersey does offer some immunity from prosecution to a person who turns in a gun in this manner, that immunity is limited to the crime of illegally possessing the gun, not to any other crimes that might involve the gun.

Further, it is a direct violation of NJ law for anyone other than a licensed dealer to purchase a firearm unless they have a special permit from the state. There is no provision for exceptions, exemptions, or special dispensations, and again, there is a requirement that paperwork be filled out which includes the name and identifying information of both the purchaser and the seller.

Anonymous transactions are not legal in New Jersey. On top of all of that there is the issue of transporting the guns to the “buy-back” location. New Jersey has draconian laws regarding the transport of firearms and there is no exception for someone going to a “buy-back.” The fact is that in New Jersey, like most other states, there simply is no provision for suspending gun control laws for the sake of anti-gun propaganda events.

Gun “buy-backs” are legally questionable even when they are conducted by municipalities or police departments. When they are conducted by private entities, there is no cover of law to be found. Not for the organization sponsoring the event, not for the people working the event, nor for the people bringing guns to the event to turn in. Just because law enforcement chooses to turn a blind eye to the infractions does not make them legal. Police may claim a need to use use discretion and common sense when they enforce the law—we’ve all seen stories of a kid’s lemonade stand shut down due to licensing or zoning issues, or when the Salvation Army is gigged for not paying minimum wage when they give a wino homeless person a few dollars for helping around the thrift store, but this goes beyond discretion.

Wholesale disregard for laws that shouldn’t exist by the very people who demanded that they be passed in the first place goes beyond the realm of sense. The New Jersey gun laws clearly infringe on the fundamental rights of citizens and are routinely used to ruin the lives of people who have no malicious intent or criminal agenda. Look up Brian Aitken for a stunning example. These are bad laws which do no good and cause great harm. They should be repealed, but until they are, they should not be ignored when it comes to the people who helped pass them.

Hollywood celebrities call for disarming the masses while they are protected by their armed bodyguards and their special dispensation carry permits. Legislators pass special exemptions and amnesty periods when they find one of their own snared in stupid gun laws. And well-meaning, peace-marching church folk call for stricter gun laws, but then expect to be able to openly defy those laws in the name of “getting guns off the street.” It’s hypocritical, it’s wrong, and they shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it.

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  • Slim

    As i see it. "gun buy" backs with tax payer money is illegal.. these program came along with the Brady campaign. back in the Clinton era. They started them in conjunction with the AWB.

    As far as I am concerned any funds intended for law enforcement should never be used for this.

  • Pete

    I've often wondered about this myself, even with PDs so called buy back programs. Think about putting yourself in the same position and imagine what would happen. Unless the BATFE is letting the firearms to be smuggled into Mexico you would be under the jail.

  • Dan

    Instead of destroying a valuable collection of firearms as a result of a gun buy back,why not use the state's list of registered people with collection licenses and auction them off with the proceeds going to the sponsoring police agency to buy much need equipment,etc?

    • Andrew

      I agree….

  • Frederick G. Scott

    I've often wondered what would happen if I set up my own "buy back" program outside the official location, and offered more money.

    • Charles

      I've heard of people doing this. They pay more than the stated buyback amount, in cash, for guns they want. They let the trash guns go on to the buyback. Doing this would make me nervous…

      • Gerald

        How many of the people hoping to dump a crime gun would sell to you if there were a chance it might be traced back to them? I would think this would be relatively safe for the buyer if they could positively identify the seller as well as satisfy the other legal requirements.

    • Jonesy

      I've wondered the same thing. always hate to see things destroyed that can be put to good use!

  • apvbguy

    what bothers me the most is the fact that the guns are not checked for their history.

    • Rusty Shackleford

      Exactly ! Criminals can turn in their hit-man guns, get hard cash, and their evidence (weapon) will be destroyed for them ! Man what a great deal ! :3)) A win – win deal for a criminal .

  • Jim Macklin

    If I was a MAFIA contract killer, I would use a gun that was stolen and then have an elderly , a retired hooker perhaps, turn the gun in, for an assured , non-traceable disposal of the evidence.

    But we all know there are no MAFIA hit-men in New Jersey.Gun laws are not about crime control, they are about political power and dependence. Gun ownership creates independence.

    • Antonio

      You're right, it's not about crime control, but politics, and I doubt that the most violent criminals and street thugs are lining up to surrender their weapons.

      • http://www.google.com/ Etty

        Please keep thowirng these posts up they help tons.

  • Bill Weldon

    I'm no lawyer but, I've often wondered at the legalities connected with this subject. I used to operate my own gun shop from 1979 to 1987 and am familiar with regulations for the transfer, sale, and transportation of firearms. I agree these "buy backs" should be deemed illegal. After all, they're tying to make gun shows illegal.

  • Roger Rathnow

    In Chicago the head of the PD said when asked about whether the person doing the buy back wasn’t breaking the law by not keeping records and not having a FOID card, he said that since the person was doing good for the people of the city, they’d just look the other way and not worry about the legalities of the buy back. When people called to report the illegal buying and selling of guns both the CPD and the Fed’s said not to worry about it and hung up.

  • Bob

    Not at all do they have an FFL?

  • james ingle

    In our city, the collected firearms have been turned over to a local gun dealer, who gives the police department a given dollar amount of police equipment. {vest, cuffs, ammo ect.} the guns are then background checked and sold…. to the community… seems a little odd…

  • Joe

    I lived in NJ many years and have found out the all the police Dept's do what ever they want.They stick together like glue and its the hardest state to get a concealed weapon's permit,They use the statistics of gun crimes all the time if they took the Newark area out of the equation what would the stats bee

  • Dale

    They are all illegal. look at the rules. In order to purchase a gun I need to jump thru all the hoops, prove who I am, submit to a backround check and pay a fee. None of these a licensed FFL dealers.

  • Ken

    I see this as promoting crime really. The poor sole that needs money will turn to stealling firearms to get money.

  • Larry Wilson

    Its a crock…..and I never surrender my firearms to some person or "group" that I do not know or is not a sworn law enforcemnet officer, and at times surrender to a cop is iffy for me…i.e legal ccw, or on my own property and they do not have a warrant

  • John

    I've suggested to several of my state and federal representatives to eliminate the BATF and work their way down to the locals. History has shown a public official's level of corruption to be directly proportional to their anti gun fervor.

  • B. Wolff

    Hmmmm,

    And I totally agree with an above-post: I don't see why any of us couldn't set up our own Buy-back Day, offering food cards, etc.. Heck yeah!

    BTW, does everyone who "helps" out with those programs have their background checked to make sure they can even be around firearms (i.e. violent felon)?

    • Realist

      Where does our Constitution state that certain people cannot be around firearms??

  • Steve Mills

    Chicago PD head has his own definition of what is 'good' for the people. Notice that word 'people'. A collective good. A collective.

    Hmm. Commie words indeed. Commie actions too. Illegally taking a gun and immediately destroying it. Break the law as many ways as possible. After all, they aren't true Americans. A true American at heart would NOT do this. Not even allow it. Of course, a thug-ocracy doesnt' care about legalities.

  • http://N/A Ronald Langendorfer

    can not find (FFL GUIDE) as indicated in Shotgun Magazine that I

    subscribe to. Can you be of assistence

    • Ashley Dale

      It is under repair at the moment…

  • Ben

    Only in the jack-booted police state that is New Jermany can this happen and law enforcement officials get away with it.

  • http://kerry8932@att.net Kerry P. McLain

    I leave chowchilla caliofornia and the manager tried to take my antique and blackpowder weapons, wich the police officer said was illegal, and he gave back my crossbow pistol. So there is good people everwhere.

  • Ray

    Can I shoot a 2 3/4 in load from a Mossberg 935?

    • Ashley Dale

      Yes.

  • Carina Rodriguez

    having difficulty finding "FFL Guide" is it still under repair? I've called and left a message but have not received a call back yet.

  • ZEEMADMAN

    I can build a Zip Gun that's as Lethal as anything else at Close Range. How many Zip Guns that cost Me $10.00 can I sell to them under the Amnesty Buy Backs? Not to mention I'd be happy to show anyone else how to build these Weapons. Of course the answer was to stop selling the materials to make these. Then people would have to take them out of things like T.V.'s, Microwaves, Plumbing Parts, etc. Simple Solutions for the Simple Minded! And if they say it's Not A Real Gun then stand back while I Demonstrate it for You! Or closer so You can see!

  • Dean

    In the 1980's I got run off several times for camping out in front of the police station in Norfolk Va during gun buy backs. I was an FFL, and offered $5 more dollars per weapon than the police dept. The police advertised 'no questions asked' during the buy back. I figured I was licensed, and didnt need to ask questions either. Most of what I bought was stripped for parts, as we know, parting out a firearm is a higher profit margin. The cops ran me off several times in one day. We just went to another precinct.

  • exexpat11

    You know PD Depts go through the collected guns, pick the ones they like or have some value, and take them home. I would not be surprised if some are recycled back to the public by being sold by said Officers. Just the other day a group of NYC Police Officers were arrested for running a gun running scheme for profit. B-ATFE looks the other way unless they are shipping guns to Mexican Drug Cartels.

    • Gray

      Reading this post is kind of ironic, since B-ATFE was FORCING FFLs to sell to people shipping guns to the Mexican drug cartels, by threatening to pull or not renew their licenses.

  • tpick

    screw NJ. i like the way things are in TX.

    • East Texan

      God-bless Texas, Miss Lillie & the N.R.A..

  • God Bless Texas

    Thank-God that i live in Texas where we still have some semblance of Constitutional rights and can buy or sell firearms both long-gun and handguns without any background checks, government big-brother approval or special permitting as individuals. The best firearm is one purchased that our overbearing and corrupt government doesn't know about…